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Microsoft stealing Borland talent?
In a move that's reminiscent of Microsoft's "cherry-picking" of Borland's top talent several years ago, two top Borland employees are leaving Borland and are rumored to be coming to Microsoft, according to an eWeek article. Is this normal turnover for the industry, or is this somehow more foul play on the part of the Redmond giant?
Of note is the fact that many ex-Borlanders have, in fact, ended up at Microsoft, including the creator of C#, Anders Hjelsberg, the inventor of Delphi. Borland seems to be shrugging off the defections, but in the past they've been less generous, filing suit against Microsoft in 1997 for "trying to get [Borland's] company plans" by hiring away more than 30 employees.
Whether you like Microsoft or not, whether you consider such actions to be fair business practices or not, you have to ask yourself, at what point will such "cherry-picking" come under DOJ scrutiny?
Read the eWeek article for more details.
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Message #109289
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Microsoft stealing Borland talent?
All's fair in love and war...
I don't think MS is to blame here at all. The employee has final control of the situation. If they didn't want to go to MS they could just stay at Borland.
If MS is trying to lure them away, and they are in fact valuable resources at Borland, then Borland should step up to the plate and sweeten the pie.
It is no different than professional sports and free agency. Talented people usually end up at the highest bidder. If Borland can't keep up, maybe they should get out of the game.
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Disparity in corporate coffers
Bill, I understand where you're coming from. But the main flaw with you analogy is that Microsoft can ALWAYS be highest bidder, and can pay well beyond what anyone else can. Microsoft isn't the proverbial 800-lb gorilla -- it's an 800-ton gorilla.
The second flaw with the analogy is that professional sports teams, for the most part, don't have a huge gap between the top team and the next several teams in terms of revenue, cash on hand, and profit. And, the sports leagues typically have agreements on salary caps, contract length, and free agency that all teams and players must abide by.
Borland can only do so much to "sweeten the pie" or they'd go broke trying to keep their programmers from ever leaving. The software development industry is certainly not the first or last place that Microsoft has used the 14-carat carrot to lure people away if they can't either buy or sink a company they compete with or don't have a presence it the company's market.
Microsoft has used many illegal, if not questionable, tactics in order to 'win' over the years, which I don't think is in dispute. This situation falls in the 'questionable' category. If IBM and Sun weren't such big players in software development, then the Borland recruiting would probably fall under much more scrutiny, but still, it's sad to see one of the few truly independent companies falling prey to Microsoft.
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Message #109461
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Microsoft stealing Borland talent?
Just to follow with the sport analogy: If you are still forced to go and do "cherry-pick", does it not mean you have poor quality minor leagues?
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Message #109499
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Salary cap?
Microsoft exists in a free and open market and therefore should be able to pick whomever they want.
Is the DOJ meant to impose a salary cap or something? ;)
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Monopoly?
Hmmm.. Having a monopoly in one area dosen't necessarily make you a monopoly in EVERY area.
And really.. if two people got lucky and found a better deal at Microsoft who are you to tell them they can't take it?
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Message #109767
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Monopoly?
Yes, monopoly. People got lucky? maybe, maybe they were forced to (ala godfather...).
Its easy to steal the talent and experience from other company, grow ur own seems quite hard for MS.
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Message #109803
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Yes and No
Legal: Microsoft hiring people from another company in order to acquire the skills those people have.
Not legal: Microsoft hiring people from another company in order to acquire proprietary information belonging to that company.
The word "stealing" is silly and implies no responsibility on the part of the individuals choosing to change employers.
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Message #109863
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Yes and No
"Not legal: Microsoft hiring people from another company in order to acquire proprietary information belonging to that company." ---> Borland is far better Software Company than MS. MS knows it... Some of the .NET technology is based on Borland's, is it much clearer now?
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Really?
Yeah, Yeah... MS sucks, it never does anything well... We've heard it all for years, yet somehow they still have the leading OS, the leading (and best by far) Office application suite, the best developer IDE, etc. etc. I don't think that you have to be first to be the best. Even a blind squirrel finds nuts... but the surviving squirrel is the one that finds them best and fastest! That's why MS is #1... although I really do wish they had some serious competition, as they are always better when challenged!
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